Human Resources Department
Office of Mental Health and Psychiatry
Post-Incident Interview Transcript
Interviewed: Doctor Jerome Ashworth
Interviewer: Doctor Samuel Havelock, Psychiatrist
Introduction: The interview took place after Dr. Jerome Ashworth received news of the death of his wife and daughter in a car accident. Dr Samuel Havelock, a friend of the interviewee, personally asked to participate in the follow-up interview.
< Beginning of Interview, 01/30/2010 - 23:07 >
Doctor Havelock: Hello, Jerome.
Doctor Ashworth: Goodnight.
(Doctor Samuel Havelock places a glass of water on the table, next to Dr. Jerome Ashworth.)
Doctor Havelock: You need something else?
Doctor Ashworth: No, thanks. I'm fine.
Doctor Havelock: I think you know why we're having this conversation... how are you feeling?
Doctor Ashworth: I don't know what do you mean, Samuel.
Doctor Havelock: The accident. Catherine, Emily…
(Doctor Jerome Ashworth sighs.)
Doctor Ashworth: Don't worry, it's not them..
Doctor Havelock: It's not them…? I don't understand.
Doctor Ashworth: That's right. It's not them.
Doctor Havelock: What are you talking about, Jerome? They died just over an hour ago in a car accident.
Doctor Ashworth: I repeat... it's not them. Don't worry, everything is fine.
Doctor Havelock: I understand your denying what happened. Believe me, this is terrible news. I cannot imagine what I would do in your situation, but we both know they are dead. You are my friend and I am concerned about your condition.
Doctor Ashworth: I'm not denying anything, Samuel. I'm fine, really. I am telling you that they are neither my Catherine nor my Emily. The numbers don't match. It's just not them.
Doctor Havelock: I don't understand what you're talking about. Your wife and daughter are dead.
Doctor Ashworth: Don't you get it...? Of course not... I may never have told you here.
Doctor Havelock: Look, Jerome, it's clear you're not well. You should take the week off, possibly the whole month, even... You know? I should do it too. You could stay with me these days, you need to assimilate the news.
Doctor Ashworth: Has it ever happened to you that you go looking for something where you think you left it and it turns out that it's not there, but you end up finding what you were looking for somewhere else? Your car keys, for example. The shirt that you decided to come to work with this morning, the bottle of milk that you had thought you had bought in the store, but that is not in the bag when you place the purchase...
Doctor Havelock: What's all this about? It happens to all of us. It's just a bad memory.
Doctor Ashworth: Just that, we assume it's our memory, that we're to blame for it. That we are incapable of remembering where we have put those things... and what about those times when you have a clear memory but when you ask someone else, they don't remember it the same way? Your wife thinks you love a dish when you've hated it all your life or that childhood program, and you remember it so well in your head, but it's vaguely different when you've seen it again as an adult and you want to share it with your daughter?
Doctor Havelock: Some memories are stronger than others, they have a different impact for each person. People do not live experiences the same way.
(Doctor Jerome Ashworth drink a sip of water from the glass.)
Doctor Ashworth: That's right. That's right. But what if it wasn't like that? What if I perfectly remembered my childhood program but here it wasn't the same? What if I had really bought the milk but when it arrived in my kitchen, in my kitchen here, I would never have bought it? What if where I came from neither Catherine nor Emily would have led to go to the night shop to buy that milk that I hadn't forgotten? What if the numbers were different...?
Doctor Havelock: ¿Are you listening to yourself? Nothing you're telling makes sense.
Doctor Ashworth: Honestly, I don't expect you to understand. I'm fine, Samuel. That's what's important.
(Doctor Jerome Ashworth rises from the table.)
Doctor Havelock: Why are you getting up? Where are you going, Jerome?
Doctor Ashworth: I intend to go home. With my Catherine and my Emily. If you'll excuse me... I have to take an elevator.
(Doctor Jerome Ashworth leaves the room.)
< End of Interview, 23:16 >